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Wednesday, April 06, 2005

Doesn't Anyone Care...




In what little coverage the media has given to the crisis in Darfur, they have often represented the conflict as a case of murderous, government-backed Arab militias called Janjaweed against a virtually helpless indigenous African population. This oversimplified analysis has failed to put the conflict in its proper perspective. In fact, Darfur's Arabs are black, indigenous, African and Muslim, just like Darfur's non-Arabs, who come from Fur, Masalit, Zaghawa, and a dozen smaller tribes.

The conflict began in 2003, when two new rebel groups, The Sudan Liberation Army and The Justice and Equality Movement, took up arms against government military installations. The two groups represent various ethnicities, all of which speak Nilotic (originating in the Nile region) languages and come from sedentary farming communities. The sedentary Nilotics of Darfur were intermittently subjected to attacks by the Janjaweed- nomads of various local tribes who speak the Darfuri Arabic dialect. Conflicts in Darfur between these groups were commonplace for centuries, but traditionally solutions were reached by negotiations. In fact, nomads and farmers in Darfur have a long history of interdependence and intermarriage. However, during the 1980s and 1990s, conflicts caused by resource competition escalated. The current conflict in Western Sudan is an economic one, over land between two groups facing water scarcity in a changing ecosystem. Due to the grim realities on the ground, the Sudan Liberation Army and the Justice and Equality Movement has demanded that the Sudanese government stop arming the nomadic groups in Darfur and address long-standing grievances over underdevelopment in the region.

Various observers maintain that since Darfuri militants launched their rebellion, the Sudanese government has embarked upon a "scorched-earth campaign" in which it has deployed bombers, helicopter gunships, paramilitaries, regular armed forces, and local nomadic tribal militias known as the Janjaweed. Some analysts argue that the campaign has produced the greatest single exodus of refugees in the world. In 2003, 1.2 million people internally have been displaced and more than 200,000 in neighboring Chad. In July of 2004, experts warned that without rapid humanitarian intervention, what UN officials called, "The worst humanitarian crisis in the world today", could claim 350,000 more lives in the next nine months. Since this time, there have been many conflicting reports on the actual number of people, including women and children, who have died from curable diseases, starvation, and murder.

Since the US has expressed an "interest" in spreading Democracy and stopping crimes against humanity, one would think that the US would rush in to help. However, for decades, civil wars have taken the lives of many millions in Africa, yet the US has only expressed outrage occasionally! Aside from its most recent military intervention that forced the Liberian President, Charles Taylor, into exile in Nigeria, the US has been satisfied with making occasional statements on crisis' in Africa. The US and the rest of the International Community remained silent as the Christian Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda killed tens of thousands of people, often mutilating their bodies, displaced more than 1.6 million people, kidnapped thousands of children, and forced many to become soldiers or sex slaves. The US-controlled global financial institutions, such as the IMF and the World Bank, have contributed to obstructing the development of Sudan, Chad, and other countries in the region. The Guardian's analyst, George Monbiot, contends that the "cannibalistic IMF [is] responsible for more deaths every year in Africa than the Janjaweed."

"African oil is of national strategic interest to us, and it will increase and become more important as we go forward." said, Walter Kansteiner, US Assistant Secretary of State for Africa. So, the US' interest in Sudan suggests that strategic and not humanitarian reasons are the main motivating factors for action, if any are taken.

Recently, the International Criminal Court has been handed documents outlining allegations of war crimes committed in the Darfur region of Sudan. A United Nations inquiry identified a number of government and army officials, militia and rebel leaders. The UN Security Council ordered that the 51 named suspects should appear before the court in The Hague. It is the first time a case has been referred to the court in The Hague by the Security Council.

When will American's start to care about what is happening in Africa, and put pressure on our government to take action to stop "the worst humanitarian crisis in the world today"?

111 Comments:

Blogger Nzyme said...

Ummmmmm, I hate to sound cynical, but after a lifetime of watching "Save The Children" programs, the Jim Jones Massacre, the South African Revolution, and the Rwandan Genocide, I don't believe the United States government will EVER give a damn about anything in Africa that isn't black, thick, underground, and capable of driving gas prices sky high! Let's face it----Africa has ALWAYS been a place to gather "natural resources" for the United States. Ummmmm, slaves once fit in this category as well. So, if they lynched, maimed, whipped, etc., etc. our African forebearers, what's a little STARVATION??

Wed Apr 06, 01:22:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Nzyme said...

Oh, and on the subject of cannibalism...they probably think it's more economical than the gangbanging and drug abuse programs geared at eradicating our race stateside. After all, lean meat is more protein-rich than that gruel/rice slop you see in the C.A.R.E. commercials, eh?

Wed Apr 06, 01:27:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

Nzyme, I understand your cynicism, but this is much more than starvation. We, as "black folks", need to find a way to FORCE our government to care about our homeland. These are our folks suffering. Most people aren't even aware of the situation, because the MSM isn't really covering this issue. I believe there are forces (ie: outside governments) at work in this region, fueling this conflict to kill of the people to make for a easier "take over". Your right, they want the natural resources, and they will stop at nothing to get them. Africa is the riches continent in the world when it comes to natural resources.

Wed Apr 06, 02:06:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

>Oh, and on the subject of cannibalism...they probably think it's more economical than the gangbanging and drug abuse programs geared at eradicating our race stateside. After all, lean meat is more protein-rich than that gruel/rice slop you see in the C.A.R.E. commercials, eh?

The IMF is not a tribe that practices cannibalism- I should have been more clear. It is the International Monetary Fund. They are made up of 184 countries. They claim to be commited to securing financial stability around the world... needless to say, they're not doing a good job in Darfur, or in any other region in Africa.

Wed Apr 06, 02:10:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Why don't you just come out and say who is behind this Imara......scared? Because i'm not !!I'll say it!!! Don't make me!!They want to kill off the people with AIDS and West Nile and every other form of germ and viral warfare they can come up with.Then, they want to cause the people to fight amongst each other and kill each other.Then, they can take over with no problem!!Those bloodsuckers!!!!

Wed Apr 06, 02:24:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

Soundboyz... you know me better than that... I won't hold my tongue for anyone! It's the JEWS! That's why they are steady building "holiday" locations all around this area, while these people are raping and murdering each other. It's a shame what "they" do!

Wed Apr 06, 02:29:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

The views expressed by "Imara" are that of "Imara" and "Imara" alone. Other contributers to this blog may not necessarily agree or express the same said views as "Imara". "Imara" should be seen as the sole individual supporter of her views and may not in any shape or form disseminate her views as a reflection of "Where Two or More" and it's affiliates.Thank You!!!

Wed Apr 06, 02:47:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Just joking Imara.I agree with you 110%. The Jews are looking to settle the land because it is rich in natural resources , plus, they love the weather.You are correct , they have been steadily building gated resorts and hotels . I think that the real problem is that outside forces have been steadily promoting Christianity which goes against the majority Muslim population. This causes the people to engage in holy war against each other.This is nothing new, neither is the fact that Europeans have been using germ warfare to kill milloins of Africans all throughout history. My only hope is that the African people can form a United Africa like they were starting to do before they were met by strong warnings and opposition by the US and other Countries who stand to lose tremendous earnings and potential profit!I think Nzyme was right when she said that slavery was one of many "natural resources" exploited by outsiders. This shit is a shame!These people are NOT the real JEWS!!!!!!!!

Wed Apr 06, 03:02:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Goldi said...

i know i'm preaching to the choir but:

Afrika's situation is due to over 400 years of colonialism/imperialism. Until western politicians no longer influence Afrikan government, Afrika will always be in crisis. It is the duty of all who are of Afrikan descent to support Afrika economically (and repatriate). Remember the Golden Rule, s/he who has the most gold...RULES.

Regarding the African Muslims - remember Spain (the Carthaginians had it first), when it submitted to Islam the soldiers were Black Arabs, the political and spiritual leaders - White Arabs. Quiet as kept the dominant language of the Sudan is Arabic. I dated a guy from a very prominent Sudanese family, he was fortunate to reside here in the States, as the men in his family were eradicated…

Remember, there was a time when North Africa was BLACK – Egypt included.

Wed Apr 06, 08:13:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

You know Goldi.....it's nice to know that you're conscious of your history and facts. You really impressed me with that comment. It shows your ability to think beyond the obvious, plus ...it doesn't hurt that you have dated everybody from every possible situation.

Wed Apr 06, 08:34:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Goldi said...

first ya praise me...then the smackdown - lol. thanks,i think?

goldi is multifacted, shimmering and prismatic - its Loreal and i'm worth it.

Wed Apr 06, 09:46:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

You know I was just kidding Goldi. I was very impressed with your knowledge of the issue!! You know I can't just praise you like that, it might go to your head....

Wed Apr 06, 10:16:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

I am not that familiar with the situations ongoing in Africa at present day, but I have been around for a while and remember all the humanitarian aid that OUR homeland has sent to help with the famine, disease, and homelessness.

The things that I pick up from these topics is that it seems that their are people who think that the United States should be the police officer of the entire world but never arm themselves with the situations at hand. At some point, you will have to realize, if you kill the farmers, there will be no one to produce food. If you support dictators, you will get opression.

If you remember correctly, the United States was a major backer in the attempt to change world opinion about apartheid and now South Africa is free from colonial rule, of course the quality of life has diminished greatly because of corruption.

If you remember correctly, there was a huge push while Bill Clinton was President, to intervene in the conflicts arising in Sudan and Rwanda. This did NOT come from the party of the 'poor', but from the party of the 'wealthy'. Instead of helping those people out, Clinton lauched a strike against some people working in an aspirin factory to turn heads away from his legal troubles.

About Nzyme's comments regarding gangbangers and the like, I have nowhere to turn but that segment of the population that does glorify the violence and thuglife of that particular community.

And the IMF is funded by the United States, there's no getting around that concept. If there is anyone, and I mean anyone that has helped all the people of this planet, it is OUR country. Do we expect something in return? Dammit, I would, but it seems that starting this "war for oil" in Iraq has done nothing to increase the supply of oil in this world.

Oh, and I am not against helping Africa out of any mess they currently find themselves. Imara, but if you place any weight on the United Nations actions in Africa, you are severely misinformed. They are the bad guys and that has been proven over the last couple of years with Kofi's corruption, the sex trade that is rampant in the UN, and the attempts to sanction terrorism around the world. If you think that there is a solution from the UN, you might as well look for Santa Claus instead.

Wed Apr 06, 10:46:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Goldi said...

Now let us all join hands and sing We Are The World.

Thu Apr 07, 10:00:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

^ LOL... Goldi, that sounds like a good idea right now, because I am about to throttle Two Dogs...

Thu Apr 07, 10:17:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

> And the IMF is funded by the United States, there's no getting around that concept.

Two Dogs, you're right, the US is the biggest contributer of the IMF... and it's corrupt, so is there a connection?

Atleast the UN is taking some kind of action. The US is sitting back and letting these civil wars happen. I thought this President was AGAINST crimes against humanity? That was enough to cause us to go into Iraq... why isn't it enough for us to help the "brown people". Oh, and you might say Iraqi's are "brown people" ... well, not according to the US Government. They have classified that region of the world as "white".

Two Dogs... I know your memory is better than that... Chaney, along with MANY others in this administration, voted against divesting from Africa and supported aparthied! That was back in the late 80's!!

Please give me specific FACTS where the party of the "wealthy" has made any attempt to support Africa.

I don't want the US to "police" the world. I want the US to be what it claims to be...

Thu Apr 07, 10:26:00 AM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Imara....I am impressed, you reminded me of Erik Grow right there. Two Dogs just wants to argue, you tell him it's night , he says it's day etc...Two Dogs knows that Africa has been raped throughout the centuries. Unless he thinks that slavery was made up in Hollywood by those commie freedom hating leftist liberals.Yea , that's it, Alex Haley made it all up in his head!!!!Slavery NEVER happened . It was all a misunderstanding when a Black guy got on the wrong Cruise ship by mistake!!!!

Thu Apr 07, 10:41:00 AM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Oh, not to mention that the US only gives aid because it is in our strategic interest. Also , this "aid " gives them the perfect cover to go in as aid workers and set up Christian missionaries and build churches in order to spread Christianity, thus dividing the people so more killings can happen!!!! This sounds like what we're doing in Iraq!!!Why can't we help people because it's the right thing to do , and then leave them alone!!

And we did go into Iraq for the strategic oil reserves!!!!Why do you think that we have already written it into the IRAQI constitution that WE are responsible for assigning the OIL contracts!! Along with the part that says that Iraq cannot charge the US with war crimes!!!!MURDERERS!!

Thu Apr 07, 10:50:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

>It was all a misunderstanding when a Black guy got on the wrong Cruise ship by mistake!!!!


LOL!!!!!!!! Not funny... but, very funny!!

Thu Apr 07, 10:56:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

>gives them the perfect cover to go in as aid workers and set up Christian missionaries and build churches in order to spread Christianity, thus dividing the people so more killings can happen!!!!

Soundboyz, you are so right! I am glad that you brought this up... Christianity is being used for vile acts. Always has been.

Thu Apr 07, 10:59:00 AM 2005  
Blogger half_cent said...

Who the hell came up with the rule that every goddamn problem on Earth is the responsibility of the United States?
When have any other Countries except Great Britain, helped us?
If all you bleeding heart liberal want a handout crying little babies would stop complaining and waiting for Uncle Sam to cure the ills of the World and get off your ass's and go do something YOURSELVES, things might get done.
If your going to just whine, then SHUTUP!!

Thu Apr 07, 11:05:00 AM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

^ It is so sad!!!!!Did you see the movie "Tears of the Sun" with Bruce Willis? The movie was the typical Willis macho crap, but it covered this problem, only the Muslims were painted as the bad guys , as usual!!!But it shows how Europeans and Americans go into Africa as Missionaries and set up Missions to aid the population, however they quickly spread Christianity and use it to divide the Christians and the native Muslims. Everything is a Holy War in these times!!!We need to watch Indonesia , because the Missionaries are at it again. I wonder if the US is causing those "natural disaster "?

Thu Apr 07, 11:10:00 AM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Half Cent......and that's about all your comment is worth, if the US is starting wars because of our so called "moral obligation to fight opression and tyranny", then why the fuck doesn't it apply to places other than Iraq?If we're not going to help , then let's not help any fuckin body. I'm all for that!!! But to pick and choose who we kill and who we ignore is only proof that the US is only interested in it's own well being!!There's a God Damned genocide going on, I thought we stated that we will not sit back and let brutal dictators and evil regimes rule with impunity? Oh. I guess were dealing with Asia and the Middle East right now, we'll get to the rest of the shit when we have a second!!

Thu Apr 07, 11:24:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

>Who the hell came up with the rule that every goddamn problem on Earth is the responsibility of the United States?

Half_Cent... the United States did! They want to be the "Super Power" and also turn this into a "Christian Nation", well with that comes responsibilities... least of which is helping those in need. Furthermore, the US has CAUSED many of the problems of the world! If they would "live and let live" everyone would be better off, but the US is so damn greedy, she doesn't know when to stop!

Thu Apr 07, 11:28:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

>I wonder if the US is causing those "natural disaster "?

Soundboyz, I am going to go online and find this article that I read about this... it will blow your mind! It is so scary to know that the US and Russia actually have the ability to cause ANY type of weather catastrophe anywhere in the world! When you couple that with what is going on in Asia -on top of having the largest muslim population in the world- it really makes you wonder if the US could possibly be behind these things. It's not like they haven't done such things in the past.

Thu Apr 07, 11:33:00 AM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

>When have any other Countries except Great Britain, helped us?

It's obvious you don't understand how the world works. To ask such a question only shows that you are uninformed of the many instances in which the US is helped and aided by many other countries!!Surely you don't mean that?

Thu Apr 07, 11:34:00 AM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Imara, I did read that article already. I know exactly what you are referring to!!

Thu Apr 07, 11:36:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

>When have any other Countries except Great Britain, helped us?

Half_Cent, do you know how many trillions of dollars other countries currently have invested in the US right now, so that our economy won't collapse, and we can fund all of the silly programs for the RICH- including the war? Your comment is laughable!

Thu Apr 07, 11:47:00 AM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Yea .....laughable!!!!

Thu Apr 07, 11:48:00 AM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

>If all you bleeding heart liberal want a handout crying little babies would stop complaining and waiting for Uncle Sam to cure the ills of the World and get off your ass's and go do something YOURSELVES, things might get done.

Well, half cent, funny you should bring that up. I am currently looking into going to Africa and assuming a missionary position!!!!

Thu Apr 07, 11:53:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

See Soundboyz... you just had to go "there"! LOL!!!

Thu Apr 07, 12:00:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

I'm voting for you to end this strike! You have gotten WAY out of hand... there is a joke there for you Soundboyz! I set 'em up... and you knock 'em down. LOL!!!

Funny... where is Two Dogs? The strike must have gotten to him too! What a bunch of weaklings!

Thu Apr 07, 12:03:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Imara, I see it is you that is calling for the end of the strike!!!! It must be working!!Don't worry , everything is well in hand!!A few more days of this and all women will be begging for me to end the strike. By the way, this is not the forum or the topic under which you should bring YOUR issues to light!!

Thu Apr 07, 01:06:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Nzyme said...

Imara,
Here's a link for you over at Tom Carter's Notes:

http://tcarter.blogspot.com/2005/04/death-in-zimbabwe.html

Thu Apr 07, 01:10:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Nzyme said...

^If all you bleeding heart liberal(s) (didn't?) want a handout(,) (")crying little babies(") would stop complaining and waiting for Uncle Sam to cure the ills of the World and get off your ass's (oops, that's "asses") and go do something YOURSELVES, things might get done. (run-on sentence)
--1/8-cent

Ooooohhhh, there's a genuine Bigot amongst us.... 1/16th Cent, I'll give you English grammar lessons in exchange for a ticket to Sudan, where I will work fervently to end the "Ills of Africa."

Thu Apr 07, 01:26:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Get his ASS Nzyme!!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!

Thu Apr 07, 01:30:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Goldi said...

Soundboyz: Word!

If it was not was the U.S. and its Manifest Destiny and the greedy imperialistic European countries the world would be a better place.

Thu Apr 07, 03:12:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

>If it was not was the U.S. and its Manifest Destiny and the greedy imperialistic European countries the world would be a better place.

Exactly, so they have a moral and a legal obligation to help Africa!!!! I just thought of something, reparations should be granted to the parts of Africa that was victimized by slavery!!!That is fair. Now , nobody can bitch and moan about who deserves it and who doesn't!!!Africans deserve it without question!!!

Thu Apr 07, 03:27:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

>Soundboyz, I am not calling for you to end the strike for my benefit... it sounds like you are uncomfortable in your present state... LOL!


I SAID I'M FINE!!!!!!!!!!Ughh.....

Thu Apr 07, 03:40:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Goldi said...

soundboyz: that weather thingy you menioned its a satellite called HARP. its responsible for the el nino weather patterns. oops! i've said too much.

about you holding out - bet yer palms are hairy. bet i coul cornrow that sh**.

Thu Apr 07, 07:00:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Patches said...

Patches;One should read the "Poisonwood Bible" by Barbara Kingswood to see that little has changed.
The novel is set against one of the most dramatic political chronicles of the twentieth century: the Congo's fight for independence from Belgium, the murder of its first elected prime minister, the CIA coup to install his replacement, and the insidious progress of a world economic order that robs the fledgling African nation of its autonomy.
In the fight for world dominance the United States cares little for whom it hurts. But as usual Americans know little what their government does and cares less as long as the price gas stays down. If anyone is helped by actions of the American government it is the result of unintended consequence. Another example is Graham Green's "The Quiet American"

Thu Apr 07, 09:09:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Thank you very much Patches.We would like it very much if you would visit more often and impart your wealth of knowledge on us. We really appreciate anything that you can offer!

Thu Apr 07, 11:16:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Goldi , as always , we appreciate it when a sistah can shed some light on the darkness of humanity.

As far as holding out is concerned, I'M FINE , I have been holding out since Palm Sunday.I plan to visit Palm Springs ,where I will not cave in to scantily clad women parading around in thongs.I have a firm grip on the situation and I will continue to exert a tight handle on the matter.

It must be working!!!!!You Ladies keep bringing it up!!!I MUST not cave in!!!!

Thu Apr 07, 11:29:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

Nzyme, Thank you for that link to TCarter. I read the post, and found it very interesting.

I disagree with him, and most people, when they blame the UN for not taking action. The US has the most votes/power in the UN, and should always raise the issue and pressure the UN to act accordingly and fairly when dealing with human tragedies such as this.

Fri Apr 08, 10:56:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

Sorry, I have been trying to make up for the last couple of strike days. Damn, I am tired. soundboyz, bad idea, I think I pulled a rib from the huge lack of exercise.

Are y'all still beating that dead Africa horse? Sorry, that was harsh.

Anyway, my comment is that those damned murderous, vile, hateful, killing-machine Christians got together in sizes unknown before and dammit, NOT ONE PERSON WAS KILLED! Not to stir the bucket, but if you put three Muslims in the same place, someone's going down, player.

I have never been to Africa but it is on my list of places to go when they stop all that fighting. Maybe that is the OG homeland or something. I'll let you know what I find out. I hear they got women over there that got what I'm looking for.

Fri Apr 08, 05:02:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

>Not to stir the bucket, but if you put three Muslims in the same place, someone's going down, player.

Two Dogs!!!!!!That was racist and uncalled for!!!! I demand that you apolgize for that remark!!! How insensative and rude Two Dogs!!!!Man, every year millions of Muslims gather in Saudi Arabia for Haj, the Muslim holy pilgrimage. I have not heard of one incident of violence!!That's just wrong ,brother!!I know we're in the struggle together and all(well just me now)but I cannot support such an outrageous comment like that.

P.S. I did hear the women in Africa all look like Halle Berry.....with aids though.Sh*T!!!!

Fri Apr 08, 05:33:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Goldi said...

TwoDogs > Beating ....horse - Perhaps if the dominant culture i.e., white folks, would stop stealing from People of Color - you know - religion, culture… resources that matter, then maybe we would not gripe. But, we will continue to gripe and FIGHT as long as we have albino parasites gnawing away at all that is OURS. Your true conservative-general lee-bushlicking colors are showing, arrogant amerikkkan.

It is unfortunate that the media, especially in the United States show Africa in such a bad light.

I have only traveled to Senegal, West Africa (as far as African countries are concerned), but my entire life is dedicated to Pan-Africanism.

Africa is so terrible that the dominant western culture has airline tickets at $1,500, but you can go to Amsterdam for $300. Why? To keep a certain class of people out.

Africa is so terrible, French and Germans move in by the droves, set up businesses and live in the lap of luxury for a 1/10 of what they would pay in Europe.

Africa is so terrible she is constantly raped for her gold, diamonds and oil.

Oh and the women...They have more badunkadunkdunk and get low more than you mofos can handle.

The rumors and misinformation are to keep you from knowing the TRUTH. Think beyond your institutionalized Pavlovian thinking and ask yourself...WHY?

Africa is so terrible they try to eradicate her children with war and disease, but what they do not realize is that we were here first and we will be here last.

Fri Apr 08, 06:43:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

>Oh and the women...They have more badunkadunkdunk and get low more than you mofos can handle.


I have to research more into this "badunkadunkdunk" and this "get low" that you refer to!!!

Fri Apr 08, 07:33:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

soundboyz, I think that thing, badunkadunkdunk, does deserve more research. Somehow this seems extremely interesting to me, being a Pavlovian dog and all.

Oh, you know the Muslim comment was a joke, just as I know that you are joking about the whiteys stealing Africa'a oil, diamonds, and 'get lowness'.

I'm not sure about that dominant culture comment unless you are counting Asians and Arab descent as being white, because they are numerically superior to any other cultures on the planet.

I have a problem with any race saying that they deserve reaprations for anything. I just think that it sounds like acceptance of failure on the part of the race. Hinky.

Also, Muslim is not a race. If you are going to call me out about the three Muslim comment, you have to say that I am biased based on a religion. I don't deny that, but if there is one religion that has been persecuted on this planet, it is the Catholics.

I read the post of Nzyme's blog about Wayne Joseph finding out that he had NO black blood in him, careful what you wish for, you might lose your entire perceived heritage.

Great post anyway, it's good to see people get so passionate about something that they believe in, even if it is based on very limited knowledge on the situations. Kinda like Erik Grow getting all bent outta shape about things.

Fri Apr 08, 09:56:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

Oh, and who's the troll?

Fri Apr 08, 10:15:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

>I have a problem with any race saying that they deserve reaprations for anything. I just think that it sounds like acceptance of failure on the part of the race. Hinky.

No , reparations is given because of repairing a wrong done to an individual or group based on damages caused by another party. It is not acceptance of failure, it's payment for wrongs done to that person or group!!

Fri Apr 08, 11:05:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

> Oh, and who's the troll?

Oh, you are!!!

Fri Apr 08, 11:06:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

No, I meant half_cent. Seems like a pretty nice dude. Check out his blog.

Sat Apr 09, 12:59:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Nzyme said...

"I read the post of Nzyme's blog about "Wayne Joseph finding out that he had NO black blood in him, careful what you wish for, you might lose your entire perceived heritage.

Great post anyway, it's good to see people get so passionate about something that they believe in, even if it is based on very limited knowledge on the situations. Kinda like Erik Grow getting all bent outta shape about things."

Two Dogs,
I believe that the whole motivation for my post has been misconstrued by you AND Soundboyz, who had the audacity to call me STUPID in so many words.

First of all, I NEVER SAID THAT I SUPPORT the racially definitive laws instituted by Caucasians YEARS AGO!! Read the following:

1785 1/4 Every person of whose grandfather or grandmothers anyone is or shall have been a Negro, although all his other progenitors, except that descending from the Negro shall have been white persons, shall be deemed a mulatto, and so every person who shall have one forth or more Negro blood shall in like manner be deemed a mulatto.

1792 1/4 It is provided that every person other than a Negro, although all his other progenitors except that descending from the Negro shall have been white persons shall be deemed a mulatto; so every such person who shall have one-fourth part or more of Negro Blood, shall in like manner be deemed a mulatto.

1833 n/a A court upon satisfactory proof, by a white person of the fact, may grant to any free person of mixed blood a certificate that he is not a Negro, which certificate shall protect such person against the penalties and disabilities to which Negroes are subject.

1860 1/4 Every person who has one-fourth or more of Negro blood shall be deemed a mulatto, and the word Negro in any section shall be construed to mean mulatto as well as Negro.

1866 1/4 Every person having one-fourth or more Negro blood shall be deemed a colored person, and every person not a colored person having one-fourth or more Indian blood shall be deemed an Indian.

1910 1/16 Every person having one-sixteenth or more Negro blood shall be deemed a colored person, and every person not a colored person having one-fourth or more Indian blood shall be deemed an Indian.

1924 ANY The term 'white person' shall apply only to the person who has no trace whatsoever of any blood other than Caucasian, but persons who have one-sixteenth or less of the blood of the American Indian, and no other non-Caucasic blood shall be deemed white persons.

Therefore, unless the realization is made that we're ALL MONGRELS, no matter the shade of our skins, RACISM will persist!!

Two Dogs, you don't know a damn thing about me besides what may or may not be true on my blog. That's the beauty of blogging experience! So, basically, you can take your observations and....you now the rest!!

And Soundboyz, since you DO know a bit more about me, you KNOW that your comment was rude---as usual!!

Sat Apr 09, 09:43:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Nzyme said...

Oops, that should be "know" the rest! Trying to keep my cool...

Sat Apr 09, 09:45:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Nzyme said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

Sat Apr 09, 09:55:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Nzyme said...

For further perusal, here's the URL for the "one drop" laws listed above:

http://www.people.vcu.edu/~jmahoney/colrline.html

Sat Apr 09, 10:07:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Nzyme said...

Recommended reading for Two Dogs:

Pigs In Heaven by Barbara Kingsolver

If you've already read it, book report, please?

Sat Apr 09, 10:38:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Nzyme said...

CORRECTED POST:

"I have a problem with any race saying that they deserve reaprations for anything. I just think that it sounds like acceptance of failure on the part of the race. Hinky."


Ridiculous. Your race has been subjected to genocide in the form of alcoholism, shuffled onto reservations, weakened by disease (brought over by Caucasians), and reduced to running casinos as a source of income.... And you're AGAINST reparations? You need to be elbowing to the front of the line! Whether or not reparations are made financially, the United States is reaping what it has sown because a public apology has not as yet been made to EACH AND EVERY group, race, country, etc. that it has attempted to dominate and destroy. Do you honestly believe that a nation which declares it is "ONE NATION UNDER GOD" will escape the wrath of God for its unrepented sins just as we as individuals will do as well? Repentance is for everyone, sir.

Sat Apr 09, 10:43:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Nzyme, where did I call you Stupid, or made you feel stupid?How was I rude ? What are you talking about?I'm confused. I don't recall referring to you as stupid or being RUDE. That doesn't even sound like me.......

Sat Apr 09, 11:16:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Nzyme, I was commenting on the comment left by Two Dogs, not about your Post. I think there is a mixup here. First of all, I was talking about Two Dogs , Not about you!!I understood your post and I feel that we both were in agreement. I don't understand.

Sat Apr 09, 11:41:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Nzyme said...

Yes, there IS a mix-up. I thought you were referring to me. But at least we agree that TWO DOGS=A self-absorbed, egotistical, loud-mouthed, crazed lunatic. Sorry about that. Guess I'm still angry about....

Sat Apr 09, 11:51:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

>Guess I'm still angry about....


About What Nzyme?

Sat Apr 09, 11:59:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Nzyme said...

LOL!!! I AM NOT going to go into that HERE!! What I WILL do is get over it and take my already tiny azz off my shoulders!! Your retraction has been served. And furthermore, shouldn't you be asleep?? I thought the strike was over!!

Sun Apr 10, 12:08:00 AM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

> I thought the strike was over!!


Nzyme, again I think you have been misinformed. I did not say that the strike was over, on the contrary, the strike is in full effect!!I don't know where you're getting your info, but I wouldn't listen to these sources!!!MAN POWER!!!

P.S. What are you talking about and why can't you get into "it" here?

Sun Apr 10, 12:23:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

I think that somehow, I done stepped on some toes. Nzyme, I don't see how I took any of what you posted out of context. I never made not one personal comment about you, nor made any assumptions of any pesonality trait to show any familiarity with you at all. I simply made the statement that Wayne Joseph lost his heritage by the DNA testing thing and that was what you posted on the greatest blog in the world.

I have 25% Cherokee blood in me, the rest I am not so sure about, by your standards, I am Indian. I do not adhere to that, if there is a race box, I neglect to check it.

My nver humble opinion: No one has ever forced any of my ancestors to drink the fire-water. Alcoholism is rampant on the land set-asides though and that was the number one reservation that my grandfather walked off the reservation at age thirteen.

One of the most important things that I ever learned from him was that no one owed me a damned thing. I work for everything that I own and hold dear. I am however, eligible for free health care, free education, free lodging on any of the set-aside lands, and lower interest rates on business start-up loans. All I have to do is surrender my life to my masters and fall in line and be the good little Indian that they expect me to be if they are going to carry my po' ass.

But, the funny thing is that I am an individual that values my opinions, likes and dislikes, and I will never, ever submit to the wishes of another man because he owns me. I am NOT FOR SALE.

Sun Apr 10, 12:59:00 AM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

>But, the funny thing is that I am an individual that values my opinions, likes and dislikes, and I will never, ever submit to the wishes of another man because he owns me. I am NOT FOR SALE.

Two Dogs, I don't think reparations is about owning , i think it's more about owing. I respect you for wanting to earn everything for yourself, but I think your pride is getting in the way of you realizing that these benefits that the government offers to you, is acknowledgement of their wrong doing and their attempt to reconcile .If you don't feel that your people have been wronged, then I agree with you, but to not accept an apology and attempts by the govt. to right a wrong because of arrogance and pride is not smart , in my opinion.First and foremost, you have to decide if you think your people were wronged, then work from there.

Sun Apr 10, 01:16:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

That money comes from me and other taxpayers that have never done a damn thing to me. Why in the world would I want to accept something from someone who had absolutely nothing to do with anything that has happened to the natives here? And you know that the government has NO money that they do not confiscate from hard-working people like you and me.

The odd thing is this, no matter what this administration does, they will always be presented in a bad light. If Bush woke up tomorrow morning and made it his life's work to give every descendant of slaves 1 mil, that would be assumed to be an insult.

I know that I will probably not change the opinion of anyone that thinks that white folks owe them something, but just remember, you never get something for nothing. Kinda like a free school lunch.

Sun Apr 10, 01:23:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Nzyme said...

"I know that I will probably not change the opinion of anyone that thinks that white folks owe them something, but just remember, you never get something for nothing. Kinda like a free school lunch."

Hey, I'm "passionate with limited knowledge," remember? So, I fully exercise my RIGHT TO RANT!! As far as "Something for nothing," I DO BELIEVE 400+ years of back-breaking, soul-shattering, blood-letting LABOR amounts to SOMETHING. Yes, your grandfather walked away......BIG DEAL!! OUR forefathers had to RUN AWAY while being pursued by bounty hunters equipped with hunting dogs!! Ever heard of the Underground Railroad?? Oh, and my daughter wants a book report on the "Trail of Tears."

Yes, "White America" OWES EVERY minority group it has manipulated AN APOLOGY. It owes itself an apology for the perpetuation if racism throughout its generations which STILL has some white women clutching their purses when "Black Americans" get on an elevator with them!! It's the "hidden racism" that gets me! At Klansmen and skinheads are all out with their sh*t!!

And hey, I thought percentages were neither here nor there....

"I have 25% Cherokee blood in me, the rest I am not so sure about, by your standards, I am Indian. I do not adhere to that, if there is a race box, I neglect to check it."

Hmmmmmm, sounds like MONGREL to me!!

Sun Apr 10, 04:48:00 AM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Two Dogs, I don't need a long, drawn out, tug at the heartstrings patriotic ramble, just answer the question, were the Native Americans wronged by the US government?

Also, this is how reparations work. My parents did nothing to anyone, but their taxpayer money went to compensating the Native Hawaiians , the Jews and the Native Americans. I didn't do SHIT to the GOD DAMN so CALLED JEWS, BUT you bet your ass , my money ends up in ISEAEL every fuckin year to buy those assholes military equipment used to kill people and occupy their land!That's how taxpayer money works, see , the government collects it from EVERYBODY(involved or NOT), then they allocate it to whatever they FUCKIN please!!SO, although the people alive now didn't do shit to your people, the system is designed so that taxpayers are responsible for funding the Govt., who WERE responsible .I know, but it's how they set it up....


If you have noticed, I have really curbed my debates with you because there is no point in debating with someone who wants to argue simply for the sake of being argumentative.I can predict your stance on anything simply by finding the most controversial, most outrageous side of an issue . It's one thing to be divisive, it's another thing to be outrageous!!

Sun Apr 10, 11:00:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

I am confused as to why they are not Jews in your mind, but that's beside the point.

My point is this: You can never get anything for free. You can continue to try, but there will always be strings attached, that's just the way it is.

Y'all have a different opinion than me, that's cool. I'm just asking a simple question, "Do you think that asking for an apology and some cash will make anything any better?"

Here's an honest apology from me. I am dreadfully sorry for any of the oppression that fell upon your ancestors. I could only imagine the terror that families felt as they were split apart by slavery. It must have been terrible. If there was anything at all that I could do as a human being to take away the pain they must felt, I would do that right here, right now.

The only thing that I can offer in retribution is this: I shall never judge another human being by the color of his/her skin ever. I will make no demands of anyone based on the color of his/her skin and I shall never put forward any agenda that should enslave another human being.

These are the basic tenets for the things that motivate my opinions on damn near everything. I look at issues from a single perspective and it is one that embraces freedom and independence for everyone. And I mean everyone.

Mon Apr 11, 10:40:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

> I shall never put forward any agenda that should enslave another human being.

Well, Two Dogs, if you really feel this way, how come you support the policies of the Republican party? Over the past few years, the majority of their policies have hurt the African-American and minority community. Institutionalized racism is alive and thriving under the current administration, and there appears to be no end in sight.

I understand the outrage over current taxpayers having to pay reparations for atrocities that were not commited on their watch. However, this country was built on the backs of slaves, and the wrong in that was acknowledged, and compensation was promised in the form of forty acres and a mule. Future generations will be forced to pay the current debts of this country, even though they are not "responsible" for acquiring them. Why is it so hard to accept that current generations should have to pay a debt, acquired by this country, that is long overdue?

Mon Apr 11, 11:35:00 AM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

>Why is it so hard to accept that current generations should have to pay a debt, acquired by this country, that is long overdue?


I think it's because he's really white!!!!!!!Let's see the picture Two Dogs!!!We want to see a picture of you with a sign under your chin that says "Two Dogs" , so we know it's you!!!

Mon Apr 11, 12:03:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

>My point is this: You can never get anything for free


So why was the labor of slaves FREE?!!!!!

Mon Apr 11, 12:05:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

Imara, you and I just disagree about the ways to establish freedom. I do not believe the war on poverty has done anything to free anyone. I believe that policy has quashed the ambition of an entire race.

While the civil rights movements did push public policy kicking and screaming in the right direction, we then turned right around and crippled the motivation for poor folks. By this I mean, if you take away the will of the people to provide for themselves, you in effect kill the community.

Lyndon Johnson (D) said it better, "If you take away the need to work, you take away the will of the man." And if you thinnk that he wasn't a racist, you gotta think back to the 1960's and Texas. The only reason he was on Kennedy's ticket was to bring in the southern vote.

Mon Apr 11, 01:13:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Cut the Shit Two Dogs and answer my question!!!

Mon Apr 11, 02:28:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

Two Dogs, I see what you're saying, and I even agree to a certain extent. The "talk" is straight, but the "walk" is crooked when it comes to actually implementing policies that actually work to empower minorities and the poor. You can only beat a person down for so long...

Mon Apr 11, 03:46:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

>My point is this: You can never get anything for free


So why was the labor of slaves FREE?!!!!!

Mon Apr 11, 03:50:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

soundboyz, I think that the labor of the slaves came at a very great price. Not only did it degrade the slave race but it also set the master race at an extreme disadvantage with their own mentality. Free? I think not.

And Imara, I do believe that at one point the Black man was beaten down in this country. I certainly don't think that is the case today, and I know quite a few people that would stomp a mudhole in your ass if you suggested they were beat down.

I think that we agree that there are still racial problems, our differences are in the way to solve them. Having never been Black, I can't say what it would be like to have that skin color, but I do know how it feels to be human and I think that we all share the same character traits at one point or another. The similarities always interest me, never the differences.

Mon Apr 11, 04:14:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

>Not only did it degrade the slave race but it also set the master race at an extreme disadvantage with their own mentality. Free? I think not.

Master race? Well.......Heil Hitler!!!!

Anyway, you still did NOT answer the question!!! If nothing is free, then why was the labor of slaves free? And don't give me that crap about a moral price or spiritual wages,that shit does not pay the bills!! I'm talking compensation for goods and services!!!

Mon Apr 11, 04:24:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

My comment about Slave race-Master race did not mean what you implied and you know it.

However, I can answer your question. The slaves all had jobs and received free lodging, free food, free health care, free clothing, etal. Sound like something that is currently underway in this country?

Mon Apr 11, 05:01:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

I KNOW you did NOT just Write what I think I read that you just wrote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Wait until IMARA gets a hold of your ASS!!!!!!

Mon Apr 11, 06:47:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Goldi said...

i decided not to read & post for a minute - due to my low tolerance for ignornance...

two dogs - dominant culture (not people, culture)influences other ethnic groups/races (by various means) to adapt a way of life/values outside of their traditional society. (that is one way of putting it). we all know that Asians and Arabs are People of Color (not white).

it is also easy for a race that has built its empire by stealing and enslavement (colonialism/imperialism) to say reparations are not due.

bottom line you can make jokes and hearsay about Mother Afrika - it is because in your heart you know the TRUTH - and you hate it.

Mon Apr 11, 08:44:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Goldi said...

two dogs lives in ultra white-wasp-conservative-mayonnaise-fantasy land.

Mon Apr 11, 08:49:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Nice of you to drop by Goldi, we need you to stop by more often and spread the wealth of wisdom and knowledge!!I know the feeling of not wanting to "deal" , but after you take a break, jump back into it !!We love to hear from you.Seriously!!

Mon Apr 11, 08:56:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

Goldi, you could simply not be more wrong about me.

soundboyz, read what I wrote and understand what I mean. Those statements are true. Do you really want them back? Or would you much rather achieve what you know you are able of achieving on your own?

Perhaps Nikita Kruschev's son, Sergei,said it best when asked, "Why would you condemn Communism when everyone has a job, medical care, and lodging?" He replied simply, "Son, your people had that too and they didn't like being slaves."

Mon Apr 11, 09:15:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Goldi said...

yeah, a lot of white people boast about 1/16th, 1/10th, 1/4th; they try to be "down" on feast days and pow-wows - you know the ones that don't belong.

you sound like you say "sieg heil" (sp?) to me.

Mon Apr 11, 10:41:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

Not one ounce of German in me. (NO HOMO) And I never do the Indian thing at all.

Mon Apr 11, 10:54:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

> Goldi, you could simply not be more wrong about me.

Is she really though, Two Dogs?I mean you are against reparations,yet you're not black,so how can you speak for the affected group. You are for the Iraq war, despite whatever comes to light about the real reasons for it. You are against affirmative action, yet once again, you are not a part of the affected group.You don't find fault with Israel,despite it's far many more resolutions against it than Iraq ever could have.You are against gay marriage , when gay marriage doesn't impose anything further on you .You sound like you live in some self righteous bubble in which you want to impose your feelings of right and wrong on everyone else. You can bullshit every single thing in life, but you can't bullshit life!

Mon Apr 11, 11:04:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

I actually just got through posting on the reparations thing. Turns out, that I am for it after all. I convinced myself.

I am 100% against war completely. When a country such as ours is pulled into one though, I am for complete and utter victory. Let's kick some ass. Go America!

I am against racial quotas because there is no need for it anymore. If someone won't hire you because you are a one-armed, transgendered hemophiliac, you are better off not getting hired by them. Let them have their prejudices, we will do fine and they shrivel and die alone.

I am all for everyone leaving each other alone in the big picture of life. That means the Arabs leaving Israel alone, they ain't got no oil, shit.

If Steve and Steve want to live together and die together that is their business. To legitimize gay marriage because they want to be in each other's hospital rooms, just doesn't make sense to me. Change the hospital rules instead, don't ruin the instititution of marriage over it. By the way, I have attended a gay wedding in Mississippi, no less.

Finally, I have never forced anyone to believe the way that I do, I simply make a cogent argument stating my points. If you have other opinions, that's your little, red wagon.

Tue Apr 12, 01:22:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

>That means the Arabs leaving Israel alone, they ain't got no oil, shit.

It would seem to me that the people that are currently occupying Israel need to leave the Palestinians alone. Remember, it's their land- has been for thousands of years. The so-called "Jews" were forced on them because NO ONE else in the world wanted them. After thousands of "Jews" settled there, they were stopped from entering, so not to overcrowd and cause an imbalance in the population. The "Jews" were outraged, and commited numerous TERRORIST acts in order to take over the land... a practice that continues today!

Tue Apr 12, 10:51:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Goldi said...

Thought: Now that Yasir Arafat has made his transition who will now be a committed leader for the Palestinians? They have been disenfranchised for wayyyyyyyy too long.

Tue Apr 12, 11:41:00 AM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Ladies, I think it's a no-win situation going back and forth with Two Dogs. He is the master of BS. I think his name must mean something in Native American folklure that is synonymous with BS!!Maybe if two dogs chase each others tail enough, they will both become tired and worn out , cause thats how I feel going around and around with him.We are getting nowhere.

Tue Apr 12, 12:02:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Goldi said...

wow. i actually agree with you SB.

Tue Apr 12, 12:15:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

See, that's how that side works, they just wear you down until you give into their point of view. It's the only way they can actually get people to agree with them.

Tue Apr 12, 12:30:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Goldi said...

not giving in.... two dogs seems to be a very confused and misinformed individual.

Tue Apr 12, 12:37:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

> wow. i actually agree with you SB.

Goldi, are you O.K. Are you feeling under the weather? Maybe you should just get looked at , just in case you are coming down with something?


But seriously, he is a great BSser!!I think even better than the ones that are in the MSM!!I just get tired of it.

Imara, you are so right. Their main objective is to frustrate you to the point where you don't even want to deal and you just say F*#K it!!You win!!!
I have also noticed that they are well organized. I think that is the secret to their success. They make it appear that they are greater in number, to further get you to doubt yourself. Whereas we, we're talking about blow up dolls , and stuff(ALL MY FAULT!!!)I'm sure glad I have Imara with me!!Thanks again Imara. I can't thank you enough!!

Tue Apr 12, 12:50:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

Even though I may be great at dishing bullshit, I think that the dialogue we have started has been free and clear of that from my side. I have yet to let you know my opinion on the so-called Palestinians. And Goldi, since Arafat was Egyptian, does that mean that all Palestinians are Egyptian or that all Egyptians are Palestinian?

Even through my severe confusion and misinformation, the only thing that I know about the Palestinian plight is that they have been summarily kicked out of every country that they have settled as refugees. The latest being the area known for all of time as Israel except for the short blip on the timeline when it was ruled by the Romans.

Tue Apr 12, 01:44:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

> I think that the dialogue we have started has been free and clear of that from my side

Bullshit , Two Dogs!!!

How are you going to be in support of a group of people who cause trouble everywhere they go. These people only call themselves "Jews" because they learn the religion .If I convert to say Buddhism, learn the religion and customs, am I then allowed to go to say,Thailand and claim it as my land and displace the natives from there? This shit is so funny, yet it is so sad!!

Why are the so called"Jews" the reason for the start of both World Wars and are about to be responsible for the next one?Face it , they are not Jews!! How can they claim to be from that region and not be middle eastern? They are Slavs as in Yugoslavia , now Bosnia -Hertzgovina.Some of them are from Poland(Prussia ring a bell)Hungary,Croatia.

Tue Apr 12, 02:04:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

>I'm sure glad I have Imara with me!!Thanks again Imara. I can't thank you enough!!

~Soundboyz, no thanks needed. This is definately a symbiotic relationship.

Two Dogs, please provide facts to support your comment about the "plight of the Palestinians".

Are you supporting the plight of the "Jews" for religious reasons, or is it based on an perceived understanding of the entire issue?

Tue Apr 12, 02:30:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

If memory serves, the start of WWI was the assasination of the Austrian Archduke Ferdinand, but Hell maybe that was just something thought up by those damn Zionists. And WWII was a direct result of those Zionist Germans invading Poland. Hell, don't let History get in your way, you're making a good point.

soundboyz, the reason that Jews wound up in Europe was because of the Zionist Roman draging them from their homeland as slaves.

And as far as causing trouble, they have tried everything that know to try to make peace with the Arabs, they agreed to give the West Bank and the Gaza Strip to the "Palestinians" and Arafat turned them down and started the latest intifada.

Is there anything that you know about this or is your knowledge limited to the rants of terrorists? Damn, open a book or something.

Tue Apr 12, 02:33:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

Furthermore, I think to argue whether or not these people are really "Jews" in useless... only God knows who the "real" Jews are, because they are his chosen people.

Tue Apr 12, 02:34:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

I have posted an update to my blog on the last post on which you commented. It's from Wikipedia and very interesting.

And Imara, I am not Jewish, I am Catholic. However, I do tend to side with the underdog in pretty much all battles. And if there has been one underdog in the history of the world, it would be the Jews.

Tue Apr 12, 02:36:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

Two Dogs, I know that you're Catholic, and that's why I posed the "religious" question. Pope John Paul II, influenced the Catholic Church to take up the cause of the "Jews" as their religious and moral duty. Some think that this position was influenced by his ties to Krakow, where he had many "Jewish" friends. As I'm sure you're aware, for many years, even the Catholics didn't support the "Jewish" cause.

Tue Apr 12, 02:45:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

>I have posted an update to my blog on the last post on which you commented. It's from Wikipedia and very interesting.

OK, I will be sure to check it out, and respond.

Tue Apr 12, 02:46:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Two Dogs, history must be told from all sides, yes WWI was started as a result of that , and that supports my claim because Austria was once a part of Austria-Hungary. The start of WWII had to do with Hitler's hatred and determination to wipe out these same"Jews" from Poland.

What did I say that was wrong? You are just telling history with your spin, as always, but if you ask the other side , they have a story also!!!

Tue Apr 12, 02:55:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

Oh, Two Dogs, there were supposed to have been 12 tribes of Judah, how come they ALL went to Eastern and Central Europe?

Tue Apr 12, 02:58:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Imara said...

>You are just telling history with your spin, as always, but if you ask the other side , they have a story also!!!

You tell' em, Soundboyz.

Tue Apr 12, 04:03:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Two Dogs said...

soundboyz, there were plenty of Jews in Canaan as far back as recorded history because it was their birthright. As I have said many times, the Romans enslaved the Jews and moved some to Europe and this happened back when there was not too much traffic across the seas. They moved overland towards Rome, hence the Jews wound up in Eastern Europe as far as Rome. Ever wonder why there are not many Jewish people in Western Europe, is it just the weather?

Also, this bad dude named Hitler had a pretty good desert general in Rommel, maybe just maybe, he packed some more Jews in railcars and hauled them back to the gas chambers and that's why the League of Nations set aside land for them to move back to.

Funny thing is that no one can actually dispute that Israel was the homeland of the Jews as far back as recorded history, but somehow you make the argument into "they are not the real Jews". Does this mean that since they are not the real Jews, just a melted down version, they cannot live in the area that has belonged to the Jews forever?

Tue Apr 12, 04:37:00 PM 2005  
Blogger soundboyz said...

>just a melted down version, they cannot live in the area that has belonged to the Jews forever?

They're not even that!!!!The real Jews MUST be of Middle Eastern descent . I don't give a fuck how long they were here and there, the bottom line is that if they came from the middle east they should be of middle eastern ancestry.These people are just slavs and poles and croats that have learned to use religion as an excuse to get what they want. Ariel Sharon's parents were Russian!!!!He's russian. Why can't you understand that Aborigines can learn Judiasm and have a claim to Israel also. In the Bible it warns of those who claim to be jews ,and are NOT!Fuck it, i'm Jewish. Israel is MY homeland!!!!!!It's that simple!!!

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